Saturday, November 26, 2011

S.1867, The National Defense Authorization Act: US Senate to Decide on Military Power that Undermines Due Process Laws

The war on terrorism is about to strike the United States Constitution even harder. As if the Patriot Act didn't already kill the Fourth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment will soon be dead as well if Congress successfully passes the National Defense Authorization Act.

The bill would give the military the power to arrest anyone they suspect to be a terrorist, and it would rob those people of due process laws that force the government to prove their guilt. As you can see, this is a very dangerous proposition when you consider the broad definition of terrorist documents like Missouri's MIAC created.

“The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself,” writes Chris Anders of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

Under the ‘worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial’ provision of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor Monday, the legislation will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who supports the bill.

The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA bill.

“I would also point out that these provisions raise serious questions as to who we are as a society and what our Constitution seeks to protect,” Colorado Senator Mark Udall said in a speech last week. One section of these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S. soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must be resolved.”


This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. Given that the Department of Homeland Security has characterized behavior such as buying gold, owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of mundane behaviors as potential indicators of domestic terrorism, such a provision would be wide open to abuse.


Of course, when you study history, the United States has a horrible record of robbing its citizens of due process laws. Abraham Lincoln jailed his political enemies, those who simply criticized Lincoln, during the Civil War. We know during World War II Japanese Americans were hauled of to internment camps without probable cause, unless you call skin color probable cause.

Obviously, the Senate is looking to make this the law of the land.

22 comments:

  1. WRONG..!!!! You as well have been had this piece of legislation does NO such thing as the ACLU reports. READ section 1032 on page 361 and 362.

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  2. I don't think it will pass....God is bigger than this Government....and God is still in control of the earth....Hmmm? When is it's voting date?

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  3. this will accow the government and the millitary to declare any occupy protester anywhere in the world as a domestic terrorist and detaqin without trial or due process

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  4. Read the bill.
    Section 1032(b) specifically EXEMPTS US citizens from military custody.
    There is no "worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial" section.
    Section 1031 does not repeal the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878; section 1031 (d) states "Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force."

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  5. This is not right, they have enough power to enforce and capture any terrorist in the world, this is an outrage on our rights and against the Constitution these people need to go and I mean now.

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  6. 28 November 2011

    The National Defense Authorization Act, S.1867, is what happens when people are either ignorant of, ignore, or allow federal and state legislatures to create pseudo-laws against the Constitution.

    Where does it start? Here in California and elsewhere, pseudo-law permits police officers to lie to citizens, subverting the Constitution. Furthermore, citizens are told they are not allowed to carry weapons to defend themselves, family, and other citizens from criminals. This is where imprudent people have allowed major strides toward their loss of liberty.

    Picture these true examples; it is not hard: a police-peace officer is kicking a woman lying on the ground, or slamming another’s head into concrete; a group of peace officers are beating a homeless man to death, or you, yourself, are being illegally searched. In all these cases, if you intervene, be alarmed, you will be prosecuted for felony battery even if you simply stand in the way and put your hand out to touch an officer with gestures of kindness.

    This is what we, you and I, get for being educated by Hollywood, corporate media personalities, and unwise professors; they are controlled by ignorance and corporations to get us to agree that the Constitution is our enemy.

    Sincerely,
    Joseph C. Carbone III

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  7. Since the US Congress/Representative/Judaical/Senate the White House and their employees are voted into office, I as a citizen of these United States claim that all of these peoples are in breach of the bill S 1867, I am making a citizens arrest and I fire all the above named individuals and demand they be incarcerated. I voted you in and I can fire you. FIRED. all of you in one swoop.

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  8. Sorry to bust your bubble but this does not apply to U.S. Citizens. See page 362 of the bill (lines 15 through 20), which states "The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States."

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  9. Read it again guys, better yet hear it straight from them... http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/600840428

    From Senator Graham (a supporter):
    "So in summary here, 1032, the Military Custody Provision, which has waivers and a lot of flexibility, doesn't apply to American citizens: 1031, the Statement of Authority to Detain does apply to American citizens and it designates the worlds as the battlefield, including the Homeland."

    He goes on to illustrate his point through the mention of the Padilla case and punctuates with, "[When] you become a Military threat, [your] citizenship is not a sort of 'get-out-of-jail-free-card'"...

    My 70y/o mother ALREADY gets fingernails clippers and those flimsy-ass bamboo knitting needles conficated at the airport, this just makes it easier for them to lock her - and whomever they choose - up... "you're coming with us Gramdma; no one can help you and they won't know where to find you to try"... Next in line? "Papers please..."

    ...'There is none so blind as one who refuses to see...'

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  10. Read it carefully! It says any person caught in a belligerent act against the United States. What do you consider belligerent? This is WAY too open ended!

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  11. The Nazi did the same thing. Even if U S citizens r excluded It is still wrong. divide and conquer. They go for evebody else and US citizens do nothing because it doesnt apply to them. Then noone is left to help us when the gluttony for power is turned to us.

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  12. There is more of us than them.. we need to all march to the White House today !

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  13. Tom above is an idiot. The Bill is so vaguely written and done so intentionally that it can be later interpreted to detain US citizens without trial or even without you having actually committed a crime. WHen you match this bill up with the Homeland Security Department's list of potential terrorists in the US this includes anti-abortion groups, Anti-gay marriage groups, gun owners, Critics of Israel and the US policy in the Middle East, people who want the Federal Reserve Bank abolished, IRS protesters, people who are against the growing power of the Federal Government----all of these are potential terrorists that this law could be applied against.

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  14. for anyone who says this does not apply to citizens, read the bill...

    (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    so all he has to do is "say so" in writing

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  15. I read the section where it says that one provision of military detention is NOT applicable to U.s. citizens or resident Aliens,
    however that applies to only one reason for detention without trial!
    THIS BILL IS THE DEATH KNELL OF DEMOCRACY!
    Anyone who's studied U.S. history knows that our country has always been a slight step away from a dictatorship of the Oligarchy AND HAS BEEN JUST THAT MANY TIMES IN IT'S HISTORY SO FAR (Sedition acts, ect.). What else to expect from a totalitarian regime controlled by corporate 'people'?
    Not convinced? Google Laszlo Pastor and the Republican party.

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  16. In Nebraska, if a person threatens another person with bodily harm, it is a felony. So if I threaten someone, I am a terrorist. Just sayin..........

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  17. Obama is apparently going to veto this.

    11 Democrats (all Blue Dogs except Inouye and Conrad) and the rest Republicans voted for this BS bill.

    There is no reason for this bill other than to have a campaigning tool against Democrats to make them appear "weak on terror."

    If you are a conservative, please write your GOP rep and tell them they made a bad move.

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  18. Even if Obama does veto this, we know through American history from Lincoln and Roosevelt the president of the United States can pull this off without this law from Congress.

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  19. TREASON! That is how to describe this S. 1867 fascist Act now enacted. Don't be misled by the trolls saying it won't be used to abuse us average Americans. Remember the promise of the RICO Act and how it is actually used? Rember how Katrina "relief" was handled. Congress has not merely gutted the 4th & 5th Amendments, it has gutted the whole Bill of Rights! And do remember the right to arbitrary assassination and "enhanced interrogation" the White House claims. Read "COME AND TAKE IT! A Reply to S. 1867" at www.OnlyWay.com

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  20. http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/11/s1867-national-defense-authorization.html?showComment=1322677078376#c4048637611338140898

    There's no "he" in those subsections. Instead, three secretaries have to agree on a suspension of the policies put forth in the bill, and then Congress has to agree to it.

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  21. There are dark forces at work in government and the bill talked about here is just one example. There are things going on elsewhere as well. In case you didn't know, the United States Postal Service is currently being DISMANTLED as I speak (I am an electronic technician at one of its processing centers) with no authority from Congress (they claim they don't need any) but certain Republicans on the committee (Issa (R-CA) and Ross (R-FL)) are definitely behind it. Issa is one of the riches Congressman in the country.

    The plan is to consolidate (as quickly as possible and to sell off property so it cannot easily be undone and before any public outcry and affect their plans) over 200 processing centers and close thousands of smaller post offices. This will delay the mail at least 1-4 days (depending on location) and quite possibly longer given the current remaining facilities simply don't have enough space/equipment to handle the kind of volumes we are talking about. This is ONLY so private companies that presort mail (e.g. Pitney Bowes, Postal Mail Sort, etc.) can make more money/profit. On the package side, UPS and Federal Express will benefit greatly as well by the delays since the USPS option (currently under-cutting them with cheaper products and usually faster service) will be hampered by these massive delays.

    The public has been continually lied to about the causes for the trouble in the USPS. We have a money problem SOLELY because a lame-duck Republican Congress under Bush Jr. passed a law that requires the Postal Service to PRE-FUND health care for the next 75 YEARS in a 10 year period. That means we have a 5 BILLION deficit before the fiscal year even begins! Amazingly, we were making these payments for almost a half decade before we lost any money because we were making PROFITS of over $5 BILLION a year...until the recession hit. When we were making those profits, Congress would take our money and use it to pay down the debt (keep in mind the USPS is not funded by taxes either; we are self-sufficient by postage costs). So we had nothing to carry over for a 'bad year'. Throw on that RIDICULOUS health care pre-funding requirement (designed to steal our profits in good years and lead to a catastrophic situation if mail dropped for any reason which would give them a convenient excuse/lie to privatize) and you have a prime example of your BRIBED (they call it 'lobbying') government at work for you. By the time there is any real public outcry, it will be too late. They will have sold off the infrastructure needed to maintain proper service and they hope people will demand even further privatization. They have literally planned to fail! Privatization will cost you dearly, though as no company wants to deliver to every address in the United States since there is no profit to some areas (that's why we are a SERVICE mandated by the Constitution of the United States, not a business! But the Constitution obviously doesn't mean jack to these people and we have a Supreme Court that is proving that time and again lately, put there by Republicans that are in bed with big business.)

    The problem is that people don't speak up and don't keep tabs on government enough and so they just walk all over us, pushing their corporate masters' agenda until we eventually become some kind of police state run by the ultra-rich and mega-corporations and anyone that steps an inch out of line will be dealt with harshly. Watch the movie "Freejack" some time (bad as it is) and you will see a vision of what the mega-rich want to come to pass.

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  22. I AM OUTRAGED. To be honest, I think it's time to leave the country. 2012 is real.

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